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I also saw Black Panther. Yay!

All I really have to say about it is that it's a competent superhero action film. It's a lot of fun, and the performances are wonderful, so I can definitely recommend it.

Michael B. Jordan's character gets a little more credit than he deserves. While his performance was top notch, and the character himself had a clearly defined belief, goal and motivation, he really just ends up like other Marvel villains, becoming "the guy what gets punches at da end."

The Black Panther himself is just kind of a do-gooder who does good. I mean, they give him some backstory and all that, and he has a little bit of an arc with some doubt, but that's really it. Still, the actor who portrays him turns in a great performance.

I do have to say that it's a breath of fresh air since The Last Jedi, in that there's a purpose for the characters in the plot, and everyone gets a chance to move events forward in some way.

It's definitely not the watershed film people make it out to be, but I'd recommend it as a good exemplar of a fun, stylish superhero film. The CG does trip up in places, but it never kicked me out of the movie, so your mileage may vary.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 17 Mar 2018 06:30
edisnooMedisnooM 01 Mar 2018 01:50
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So in other movie news I was able to catch Black Panther this past weekend and can report that it is pretty good film.

It's a Marvel movie which is generally a good bar to measure whether you'll like it or not, a nice mix of action, drama, humour, etc. I thought the cast was pretty solid all round, Michael B. Jordan and Andy Serkis are definite standouts though, providing pretty decent villains. The latter isn't in it as much but he seems to be having the time of his life whenever he's on the screen.

On the whole I had good time without any major complaints, the CG seemed a bit wonky in parts but nothing ruinous. I did have a few nitpicky things though:

Anywho though, nothing major to complain about I would definitely recommend it.

And although this is TV related but since it's also Star Wars related I'm going to throw this in here as well.

Star Wars Rebels is winding down and in the last stretch, and the last episode just took the universe down a bit of a rabbit hole.

Reaching back to the Mortis arc of Clone Wars1, it has Ezra entering a portal in a Jedi Temple to a "World between Worlds" which connects all of time and space. And made time travel a canon part of the Star Wars universe, with Ezra reaching back and saving Ahsoka during the season 2 finale fight against Vader. The implications are pretty huge, but it remains to be seen if it will actually have any bearing on the universe beyond this.

The episode itself was pretty cool though, Ian McDermitt voices the Emperor who get's his Sith Sorcery on. And with the whole time and space aspect there are lots of quotes from different individuals throughout the series as Ezra walks through the place, which was pretty darn nifty.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 01 Mar 2018 01:50
edisnooMedisnooM 22 Feb 2018 01:35
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I think you are largely remembering it correctly1, though there are few points I might differ on.

3. They only tried to solve the problem because Holdo made it seem like they had no plan to go on.

4. Just want to mention that space combat doesn't make any sense to me anymore. Kylo and two ties take out all the fighters and the bridge of the flag ship without breaking a sweat (shields apparently are rubbish on Rebel ships) and then get called back because the Star Destroyers can't cover them. They seemed to be doing fine on their own.

8. This happens just after one of the Rebel cruisers ran out of fuel and got blown up. Tensions are high and everyone seems worried, I think this is when Poe begs Holdo to tell them all that there is some sort of plan and she responds with something about Sunshine. It's after this that Poe notices her fueling the unarmed (un-shielded?) transports and gets mad.

9. It's here that Poe tells Holdo his plan, she dismisses it again without explaining that they actually do have something beyond hopping on these sitting duck transports. He then relieves her of command with the support of a number of the crew. This sort of makes me think he is either the next highest ranking or at least one of the ranking officers there. He then goes to the bridge where he is waiting for Finn and Rose to bring down the tracker so they can jump to lightspeed.

10. Just before this Holdo and Leia talk about how much they like him at least partially because he's a hothead, which makes the outright dismissal of him even odder. Leia tells him the plan and he immediately accepts it and I think says "This just might work."

And this all happens over the course of 18 hours where, from what I can tell, there wasn't really a whole lot to do beside watching the fuel gauge. I could maybe understand if Holdo didn't have time to talk to her officers and crew if they were in a crisis but everything seems relatively calm. Probably would have done wonders for morale if they knew that they actually had a destination.

What might have helped is if the flagship had been destroyed in the attack, and everyone evacuates to Holdo's ship2. Poe is then on a ship with a crew and commander he doesn't know, but as it stands I find it mind-boggling that if anybody else knew that they wouldn't have told Poe to at least chill out, because "Trust us, there's a plan."

Anyway, just my take.

I agree that character development hasn't been great so far. There's interesting stuff there, but it didn't seem to get built up a whole lot.

I thought Kylo being tempted by the lightside was kind of interesting in TFA, but with TLJ his character seems very weird to me. First why does he hate Han so much in TFA? I can understand being mad at Luke, but apparently Han didn't even want him at the academy so his hatred of Han and the Falcon etc. doesn't seem based on much from what we've seen.

Second in TFA he says he's going to finish what Vader started and emulates him quite plainly. But Rey knew that Luke had redeemed Vader to the light side. If Rey from Nowhere knew that, how did Luke's own nephew not? And if he did why does he think that finishing what Vader started or emulating him would mean being a Sith?

Speaking of Rey falling, I had actually thought before TLJ came out that Rey and Kylo swapping spots could have been interesting. Maybe Kylo is wavering (Leia's "death" could have played a part) and Rey shows up, Kylo tries to stop Snoke turning her but fails and he flees either to the Rebels or is captured. This could have set stuff up for IX with both Finn and Kylo fighting against the First Order, with the addition of Finn and/or Kylo trying to save Rey.

Ah well, a man can dream though, a man can dream.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 22 Feb 2018 01:35

@The Mani Mani

Heh, I guess the spell cost is your life? I'm still not sure why doing a projection thingy made him die. Also, I don't know what the point is to him dying then, other than to have him die. I mean, the moment is poetic, but it's needless.

We'll have to disagree on the Poe thing. It mostly comes from the way I remember events, which might be wrong. I remember it as:

  1. Poe takes the paper bombers on a run against orders and loses the entire bombing group because Y-Wings apparently don't exist anymore, even if they did one movie ago.
  2. Poe is grounded by Leia.
  3. Poe, Finn and Rose learn about the hyperdrive tracker, then Finn and Rose go to solve the problem that Leia solves later anyway.
  4. Kylo Ren and friends attack. Poe can't fly because Kylo took a moment to blow up all the X-Wings. There's a cool moment where Kylo just can't blow away his mother, only to have the moment sabotaged by his wingmen doing it for him.
  5. Leia does the Mary Poppins thing without any previous known force training1 and ends up in traction.
  6. The Resistance beats back the attack and goes on the run.
  7. Holdo takes command and tells Poe to stuff it, since he's been grounded.
  8. Time passes. Poe storms onto the bridge and finds out that Holdo is transferring the fuel from what I presume is Home One to the smaller transports.
  9. Poe then organizes a mutiny and removes Holdo from the bridge, then locks himself in, where his plan is to do… something.
  10. Leia walks in and blasts him.
  11. He wakes up on one of the transports and is told that Leia solved the problem that Finn and Rose went out to solve.
  12. They land on the salt planet for the "Opening-Battle-Of-Empire-But-Nowhere-Near-As-Good-Or-Meaningful" fight.
  13. Poe gets the idea to fly weaponless salt skimmer things against giant armored quadrapedal tanks in order to stop an enormous energy cannon from busting their door down. Leia seems to be okay with this, probably because it's the best idea they've got, but the whole thing is wasted because there's no moment where Leia and Poe each realize that the other is kind of right, then agree to meet each other halfway - temperance saves lives, but sometimes you have to take risks in order to save even more lives.
  14. Poe and company fly out to meet the walkers and the energy cannon. Rey arrives and shoots things with the Millenium Falcon. Shit gets bad and Poe orders a retreat. Finn tries to be hero, only to be told "fuck you" by Rose. Then she kisses him.
  15. Ghost Luke arrives and has a talk with Kylo Ren that does nothing to add to the closure of the arc of their relationship. It also starts on some character arc stuff with Luke, but it ends up being pretty superficial and stops almost as soon as it starts. Luke then dies. Again, it's poetic, but pretty pointless as it doesn't pay anything off, or bring up a new question or conflict for anyone else.
  16. Poe realizes that the little crystal doggies are showing them an alternate way out of the caves and gets everyone to follow.
  17. Turns out the dogs are leading them to a pile of rocks. Rey, having apparently been fully trained in the ways of the Jedi without coming even close to failing once, lifts the rocks out of the way.
  18. Poe joins everyone in piling on the Falcon and zooming off into space. Everyone talks like they're mingling at a Christmas Life Day party.
  19. Roll Credits

I mostly stuck with Poe there, but that's how I remember it. If that's the way it went, as far as I'm concerned, Holdo didn't owe Poe diddly shit for explanations. I'd have expected her to shove her middle finger in his face, and I would have agreed with her, especially after his mutiny. I do still think she should have told the rest of the crew though. There was no point in keeping it a secret. Poe could have easily found out from someone else, which could have led to his wanting (or attempting) to mutiny.

There's one thing the new Star Wars films have been remarkably consistent on so far: superficial, underdeveloped characters with rushed, sloppy relationships who don't have arcs and who don't have good payoffs.

Force Awakens was a good start for Finn and Rey, though it would have been nice if Rey had made a bad choice, or tripped on a vine or something. It set up Finn for tension and drama because of his cowardice and the idea that his lying by omission could come out and sabotage his efforts with the Resistance, or with Rey. Rey was just kind of set up to ascend into ultimate Jedi-hood. She just sort of does everything right.

Rogue One started with some neat character stuff with Jin, but it comes to a halt once her father dies. The rest of the cast have neat quirks, but they never go deeper than that. Each character can be summed up as "this is the character with X personality trait." I could give the re-purposed battle droid2 some slack, in that he's pretty much the only character in the movie with a likeable personality. But even then, he just kind of dies. I mean, he dies doing a heroic thing, but it's not really a fitting end for his character. Then the other characters die. And that's kind of it.

Last Jedi had some stuff to work with coming off of Force Awakens. I mean, the First Order should have been reeling from the loss of Starkiller Base instead of engaged in a protracted car chase with Home One, but it had the chance to deepen Finn and Rey, and add some complexity to them. Instead, the plot just kind of leads to diferent action setpieces and moments until the movie ends. I mean, Snoke dies without us learning who he is, where he comes from, or what his motivation or goals are.

You want to subvert expectations, Rian Johnson? Show me Rey joining the Dark Side. Or hell, really bend my mind and show me Kylo Ren joining Rey. THAT would have subverted my expectations.

I'm not optimistic for Episode IX, Solo, or for Rian Johnson's side trilogy, if this continues. It's not very promising. I mean, you could reduce the Original Trilogy to space wizards with laser swords, but it still had relatable and compelling characters you could fall in love with.

Anyway, yeah. A couple cents worth of thoughts there.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 17 Feb 2018 08:20
edisnooMedisnooM 15 Feb 2018 01:11
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Yeah, the doppleganger thing was weird. I mean apparently there is a book of Jedi "magic spells", which just kind of strikes me as strange, maybe it shouldn't seem that weird to me but it does. Also given the fact that this movie established that you can run out of Force power, I'm surprised there wasn't a casting cost next to it. :-)

I kind of disagree with you on Holdo a bit. I got the impression that the only ones he had fallen out of grace with was Leia and Holdo, a lot of the other crew seemed to back him up to the point of mutiny. I don't think Holdo had to tell Poe, but I kind of question her not. With how few of the resistance is left he's still a Captain, and one of the few fighter pilots1 they have left.

Leia might have benched him2, but she almost immediately after gave him permission to get in a ship and blow things up, so it seems like she still had confidence in him. And if memory serves Poe even beggingly asks that Holdo tells them that they have some sort of plan, and her response is about sunlight.

Overall it just strikes me as manufactured drama, and come to think of it I think this might be the first Star Wars movie where the commanding officers deliberately withhold the battle plan from the troops. I could understand if there had been any sort of issue regarding spies or the like, but that didn't seem to be much of a concern.

On a different note, there is a car in space, and that's kind of awesome. :-)

by edisnooMedisnooM, 15 Feb 2018 01:11

It will be… interesting. I don't know. The more I think about Last Jedi, the less I like it. Finn and Rose will always make me roll my eyes and kick me out of the movie.

Rian Johnson's smartass defense of the Jedi "doppelganger" is just a show of how much the film doesn't hold water. Should he really have had to defend that choice?

I did like the idea of the Resistance being on the run with the Order nipping at their heels, though. It's a nice departure from the "destroy the superweapon" plotline that was already done in episodes IV, VI and VII. It just wasn't executed well.

I'm also going to pick a nit: Holdo absolutely should NOT have told Poe what her plan was. Poe had fallen out of everyone's good graces, and Holdo didn't owe him shit for an explanation. I do agree that she should have told the rest of her crew, though.

Well, whatever Rey was to Fatty McFatFat as a kid, she seemed to be totally independent by the time of Force Awakens. Anything about her childhood with him would be a guess at best, but it is a curious mystery.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 06 Feb 2018 06:15
edisnooMedisnooM 01 Feb 2018 01:13
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It's entirely possible I'm wrong about this, and the scene obviously existed early enough that when Mark Hamill saw the script for TLJ he panicked because originally TFA had him floating rocks but TLJ had him cut off. But it was more the filming1 that seemed odd since Luke is in what I would call distinctly Jedi looking garb in the transition scene, and then immediately changes to his grubby outfit.

Even if they had already filmed it and had to go back to film the beginning of TLJ for how little he was featured it seems strange they wouldn't have reshot it unless the intent was to subvert expectations or the like.

TLJ did seem to end with a certain finality to it that is part of what makes me a bit worried about IX. It seems almost like it will have to set up a bunch of pieces on the board and still end satisfactorily, assuming that IX is still intended to be a bookend.

Despite my seemingly endless picking of nits, I don't hate the movie, but I guess I was a bit disappointed? It has things I liked, bit also things I didn't, and things I wish they handled differently.

Regarding Rey I don't think it's really important, I brought it up because Kylo said she was sold for drinking money2, but it didn't really strike me that she was enslaved at all in TFA.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 01 Feb 2018 01:13

@The Mani Mani

Yay for unilateral decision making!

Hmm, I'm remembering the scene being mentioned when the cast was doing the script read. It may have been added in collaboration with Johnson?

I really don't envy Abrams's position. He's going into the final movie with a bunch of stuff wrapped up1, and having to somehow deal with Carrie Fisher's passing in a way that's a sendoff to her, and satisfying for the audience. Hopefully something better than Ackbar's death.

At this point, my relationship with The Last Jedi is this: It has the roots of a lot of good ideas. I liked that the central plot was the resistance on the run with the order nipping at their heels. It's good. But it could have been a lot better. Also, every time I watch that film, I'm going to roll my eyes at Finn and Rose, and their actions that have no effect on the plot whatsoever. And then that stupid middle finger scene on the salt planet. You know which one I'm talking about.

Rey may have been a slave when she was young, but then struck off on her own when she was old enough? I dunno. Doesn't really seem that important, though. Why did we bring it up again?

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 23 Jan 2018 07:35
edisnooMedisnooM 16 Jan 2018 01:39
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Seeing as how it's been a month now since the release I'm going to make the call that we can stop using spoiler blocks. Living on the edge! :-)

Which Luke scene had been added by Abrams?

I'm kind of assuming the last scene in TFA with Luke was added in collaboration with Johnson. I could be entirely wrong, but I remember them talking about how Abrams had worked with Johnson to film the opening scene of TLJ at the same time since it was picking up directly after TFA. Although according to Mark Hamill Luke was at one point levitating rocks at the end of TFA, but they changed it at some point to match TLJ.

Despite them talking about how Abrams and Johnson were discussing the story and not working completely isolated from each other it all seems very muddled.

Also, it's true that Kylo doesn't specifically say slavery, but I guess I would kind of wonder what exactly the arrangement with Unkar Plutt1 was. Indentured servitude?

by edisnooMedisnooM, 16 Jan 2018 01:39

@The Mani Mani

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 10 Jan 2018 18:07
edisnooMedisnooM 09 Jan 2018 01:51
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by edisnooMedisnooM, 09 Jan 2018 01:51


Thanks, that is all very good advice. I had been looking into the insurance thing a bit more and it does sound like while LTI is not useless, buying insurance in game probably won't render you destitute1 especially since I'm probably not going to be using any too grandiose.

Nice to hear about the ships, although I imagine I won't going with anything too flashy2 should I ever want to look at something higher up knowing it won't be completely impossible in game is nice.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 09 Jan 2018 01:50


Stalker is technically just a Titan with the pods in the back. No other difference, and the pods are intended to be removable. Unless you are really wanting to do bounty hunting, I can't imagine that the 6 pods would be all that useful. 2 or 3 maybe, but not 6.

As far as not having SQ42, there are $60 packages of ship + both games. The cheapest standalone right now is $45 for just SQ42, and I don't think that price will go up, so no incentive to buy. Sometimes there are sales where it is offered as a $15 upgrade to a pack, but I don't know the details there. Essentially, I'd have to recommend melting the LTI Titan, then using the credit to buy the full package, and maybe spend a little extra to turn the Mustang or Aurora into something else. Still represent a loss of LTI (probably not a big deal) and having to put more money in when SQ42 may still be a year or more away.

At this stage, unless you've got easily expendable income, I can't recommend putting much money in. The economy isn't established enough to know if in-game purchase of ships will be reasonably priced, but most of us are expecting it to be more cost-effective to just buy in game. The majority community does not want pay-to-win mechanics.

by Seijin8Seijin8, 05 Jan 2018 14:02

@The Mani Mani

Thanks. My thoughts have expanded a bit regarding things since I saw the film. Listed below.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 04 Jan 2018 21:34
edisnooMedisnooM 04 Jan 2018 01:50
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Good write up. I'm going to put reply stuff in spoilers just in case.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 04 Jan 2018 01:50


I actually did check out the gameplay vid a few days ago1. Looks pretty shiny, and I was pleasantly surprised to see Captain Davos Seaworth in command of the Stanton.

I also logged into my account which I hadn't done for a while and I noticed I don't seem to have Squadron 42 in there, so I'll probably need to get that since it's looking to be pretty darn good. I saw some mention about being able to get an upgrade as opposed to a full pledge for 42, but that didn't seem to be an option from what I could see.

Interesting news about the Avenger, pretty nice upgrade there. I have a Stalker variant which I upgraded from a Mustang2 a while back, but I forgot I also have a Titan as well which has LTI on it. Now I'm trying to decide whether I want to upgrade that to a Stalker or just leave it as is. I think it would only be about $10 and if the stasis pods can be easily removed that is a tempting prospect.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 04 Jan 2018 01:48

Happy New Year y'all. :-)


Nicely done, gotta love those "Surprise! Everything's changed!" moments.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 04 Jan 2018 01:46

Saw Last Jedi. Going to offer my thoughts. Remember who is writing these words and plan your disappointment accordingly.

Ultimately, my thought is that it's an enjoyable film, but very far from perfect. It's compelling and engrossing, but the plot distracts itself with a few too many jokes and some plot stuff that needed to happen differently.

One final note: Vader's cool moment in Rogue One (ugh) was great, but terribly misplaced in the pacing of the finale of that film. Now there's a mess of a movie.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 27 Dec 2017 09:59

Finally coming up for air after a week of Emergency Work Shit123. Hope y'all have a good [INSERT HOLIDAY HERE], eat lots of good food4, don't kill (or be killed by) any family members, and that 2018 is less of a clusterfuck than 2017 was.

by Delta VDelta V, 24 Dec 2017 02:14

Let me echo this.

Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, something something yuletide, and a good new year!

by Fapmaster5000Fapmaster5000, 23 Dec 2017 15:40
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