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edisnooMedisnooM 16 Jan 2018 01:39
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Seeing as how it's been a month now since the release I'm going to make the call that we can stop using spoiler blocks. Living on the edge! :-)

Which Luke scene had been added by Abrams?

I'm kind of assuming the last scene in TFA with Luke was added in collaboration with Johnson. I could be entirely wrong, but I remember them talking about how Abrams had worked with Johnson to film the opening scene of TLJ at the same time since it was picking up directly after TFA. Although according to Mark Hamill Luke was at one point levitating rocks at the end of TFA, but they changed it at some point to match TLJ.

Despite them talking about how Abrams and Johnson were discussing the story and not working completely isolated from each other it all seems very muddled.

Also, it's true that Kylo doesn't specifically say slavery, but I guess I would kind of wonder what exactly the arrangement with Unkar Plutt1 was. Indentured servitude?

by edisnooMedisnooM, 16 Jan 2018 01:39

@The Mani Mani

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 10 Jan 2018 18:07
edisnooMedisnooM 09 Jan 2018 01:51
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by edisnooMedisnooM, 09 Jan 2018 01:51


Thanks, that is all very good advice. I had been looking into the insurance thing a bit more and it does sound like while LTI is not useless, buying insurance in game probably won't render you destitute1 especially since I'm probably not going to be using any too grandiose.

Nice to hear about the ships, although I imagine I won't going with anything too flashy2 should I ever want to look at something higher up knowing it won't be completely impossible in game is nice.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 09 Jan 2018 01:50


Stalker is technically just a Titan with the pods in the back. No other difference, and the pods are intended to be removable. Unless you are really wanting to do bounty hunting, I can't imagine that the 6 pods would be all that useful. 2 or 3 maybe, but not 6.

As far as not having SQ42, there are $60 packages of ship + both games. The cheapest standalone right now is $45 for just SQ42, and I don't think that price will go up, so no incentive to buy. Sometimes there are sales where it is offered as a $15 upgrade to a pack, but I don't know the details there. Essentially, I'd have to recommend melting the LTI Titan, then using the credit to buy the full package, and maybe spend a little extra to turn the Mustang or Aurora into something else. Still represent a loss of LTI (probably not a big deal) and having to put more money in when SQ42 may still be a year or more away.

At this stage, unless you've got easily expendable income, I can't recommend putting much money in. The economy isn't established enough to know if in-game purchase of ships will be reasonably priced, but most of us are expecting it to be more cost-effective to just buy in game. The majority community does not want pay-to-win mechanics.

by Seijin8Seijin8, 05 Jan 2018 14:02

@The Mani Mani

Thanks. My thoughts have expanded a bit regarding things since I saw the film. Listed below.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 04 Jan 2018 21:34
edisnooMedisnooM 04 Jan 2018 01:50
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Good write up. I'm going to put reply stuff in spoilers just in case.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 04 Jan 2018 01:50


I actually did check out the gameplay vid a few days ago1. Looks pretty shiny, and I was pleasantly surprised to see Captain Davos Seaworth in command of the Stanton.

I also logged into my account which I hadn't done for a while and I noticed I don't seem to have Squadron 42 in there, so I'll probably need to get that since it's looking to be pretty darn good. I saw some mention about being able to get an upgrade as opposed to a full pledge for 42, but that didn't seem to be an option from what I could see.

Interesting news about the Avenger, pretty nice upgrade there. I have a Stalker variant which I upgraded from a Mustang2 a while back, but I forgot I also have a Titan as well which has LTI on it. Now I'm trying to decide whether I want to upgrade that to a Stalker or just leave it as is. I think it would only be about $10 and if the stasis pods can be easily removed that is a tempting prospect.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 04 Jan 2018 01:48

Happy New Year y'all. :-)


Nicely done, gotta love those "Surprise! Everything's changed!" moments.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 04 Jan 2018 01:46

Saw Last Jedi. Going to offer my thoughts. Remember who is writing these words and plan your disappointment accordingly.

Ultimately, my thought is that it's an enjoyable film, but very far from perfect. It's compelling and engrossing, but the plot distracts itself with a few too many jokes and some plot stuff that needed to happen differently.

One final note: Vader's cool moment in Rogue One (ugh) was great, but terribly misplaced in the pacing of the finale of that film. Now there's a mess of a movie.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 27 Dec 2017 09:59

Finally coming up for air after a week of Emergency Work Shit123. Hope y'all have a good [INSERT HOLIDAY HERE], eat lots of good food4, don't kill (or be killed by) any family members, and that 2018 is less of a clusterfuck than 2017 was.

by Delta VDelta V, 24 Dec 2017 02:14

Let me echo this.

Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, something something yuletide, and a good new year!

by Fapmaster5000Fapmaster5000, 23 Dec 2017 15:40

Small bits of Star Citizen news for those1 who might be interested:

The long-awaited 'Vertical Slice" showing off a segment of Squadron 42 gameplay finally arrived, and it is… epic. See it in original format or with director commentary.

At 1hr and 7 minutes of uncut playthrough, it is probably a bit much for many, so here's indexed highlights:

Starts aboard the UEES Stanton, an Idris frigate that the player character is stationed aboard. By this point of the story/gameplay, all of the tutorial sections have been passed and this is around 1/3 of the way through what is reportedly a 20-ish hour "episode",2 though the pace this moves at makes me think that could be stretched to 30+ with no issues if you actually wanted to poke around.

Other news that may be of interest:

  • Those who have an Avenger may be happy to know their ship has nearly doubled in size.6 The interior will not longer be ridiculously cramped and can be walked through without ducking. Some images have shown a dual cockpit, but it isn't clear how one enters the front seat.7
  • Star Citizen has its first Tank, and it is "only" twice the size of the largest real tank ever made on Earth. They've indicated that future ground combat vehicles will be smaller than this. Unfortunately, this poses an issue for those who might otherwise want to pledge for this thing: There is only one ship something this size could currently be deployed from, and that's an Idris frigate, and presumably you would no longer have fighter launch capability if you did so. No doubt there will be a heavy dropship coming in the future that will allow for more robust ground deployment options.
by Seijin8Seijin8, 23 Dec 2017 12:37

Thank you edisnooM. To you and everyone here as well.

Merry Christmas!
Happy Hanukkah!

by Seijin8Seijin8, 23 Dec 2017 11:46

Well with that time of the year upon us again and things looking to be a wee bit hectic I thought I'd jump in a bit early to wish everyone a Hearty [Preferred Holiday Greeting], and all the best to you and yours.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 22 Dec 2017 23:59
edisnooMedisnooM 22 Dec 2017 23:57
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Sorry I just realized I didn't respond to part of your post.

Also I saw someone mention something about wanting to see The First Order conquering the galaxy, and I immediatley thought that I would love for them to use droids to attack Kashyyk just so Ki-Adi-Mundi could make a surprise guest appearance.

Honestly I wouldn't even care about the inconsistencies of Force Ghosts etc. Just have him materialise next to whoever gave the report.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 22 Dec 2017 23:57
edisnooMedisnooM 21 Dec 2017 02:19
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I didn't feel your fanboy comment was directed at me, so no worries there. :-)


I tend to swerve to towards optimism myself, but I can't seem to find much for whatever comes next. Maybe time will change that though.

Your splatter thoughts are generally interesting reads, so no worries on that one.

I'm probably more in the Hard Core Fan category than I'd like to admit. I don't know all the lightsber forms though, so I got that going for me. :-)

I'm also not at pitchfork levels, I liked parts of this, there were things that brought back up the old Star Wars glee, but there are also things that just don't work for me. I hate seeming like an old stodgy curmudgeon but there it is.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 21 Dec 2017 02:19

Quick note: I think there are multiple groups of people who are upset with this movie. At a glance, these appear to break out as:

  • Critical Viewers
    • These people are generally okay with the film, but are hung up on one or two scenes - be it Deep-Space Mary Poppins, sudden RKV tactics, or the Canto Bight arc, these people generally like the movie, but add the caveat: "It would have been great without *BLANK*.".
    • I'm not one of these. Things like admirals in cocktail dresses - and who don't share their plans with their direct subordinates - are a writing problem, to be sure, but they aren't anything more egregious than the norm for this series1. I can recognize where each of these flaws exists, but they aren't deal-breakers for me.
  • Culture Warriors
    • I hate that this is a thing, but it's a thing. I think these people come from two main sources - opportunists, people with a legit2 grievance, and an overlapping Venn diagram between them.
      • Opportunists - Right wing culture warriors who love to find ways to blame "dem libruls" for ruining things, to get more recruits for "the war". Cat pissed in your shoes? Communism. Hail beat up your car? Communism. Favorite franchise twisted away from you? Communism.
      • Legit3 Grievance - Johnson used deconstruction on Star Wars' heroic archetypes. Deconstruction as a critical tool comes explicitly from postmodernism, which derives genealogically from communism4. So now, you have a "left-wing" tool being used against a cultural institution?5 It's only natural you'd get a pushback from conservative geeks6. This is then easily appropriated by Opportunists looking to score points, and now we have a political fight in Star Wars. Great.7
    • I'm not either of these, either. While I don't like deconstruction being used on Star Wars, it's not because of dem libruls, I have no inherent issue with deconstruction as a tool, and I don't think that argument holds water. While I'm no fan of deconstruction, it can be a valid tool, if wielded carefully8. Besides, I don't think TLJ truly ever goes down that particular obscurantist rabbit hole - it just dips a baby toe into the water, and takes a poke at heroism. If this was Derrida levels of derp, we'd be arguing the grammar of every word in relation to every other, forever. So count me out of this fucking ring. I don't care about "what this means for the Culture War9". I care about what this means for Star Wars.
  • Hardcore, Old-School Fans
    • These are people that have been Star Wars for large chunks of their lives. They grew up on the older movies, and loved it. They dug into the EU10. They argue lore. They make Youtube videos about "what Snoke's ring means" and "when will Thrawn show up in the movies". These guys know the lightsaber forms.
    • Not all of this group hates the movie! There are some of these (including some of my friends) who love the new movie. But, of all the groups of Star Wars fans (from casuals to scifi-friendly to fanboys), this is the group that seems to split the most viciously. Unlike the two groups above (Critics and Culture Warriors), this group is split on this movie because of love11 of the franchise. The Critics like the movie, but wish it were better. The Warriors hate the movie, but only in the light of their "bigger picture". This group? They love it or hate it because of what it does to Star Wars.
    • I think this is where I am.
    • I also think that where you fall on the love/hate line for this movie comes down to two possible variables: how much you engaged with the old EU12, and how much did you engage with the feel of Star Wars versus the appearance of Star Wars.

Like I said, I've gotta think on this.

Thanks for reading my splatter-thoughts.

by Fapmaster5000Fapmaster5000, 20 Dec 2017 23:30

I'm gonna try and do a serious, considerate post. My last couple have been done in overstated, quasi-humorous "they killed my childhood" voice, but I'd like to try and dig in and figure out what's disconnecting for me (and others).

I mean, this film has been kicking around in my head for days now. I love it. I hate it. I love it again. I vacillate, based on holographic interpretations of what the text might mean, but am unable to resolve, because only the next installment will tell me the correct divining angle.

I've already laid out stuff I think it did, well: cinematography, music, sfx - this thing looks and sounds amazing. If it wasn't Star Wars (saga), I'd be screaming 'bestest movie!' about this thing.

Which means the issue is deeper - I know it's connected to the Skywalker Saga stuff I've mentioned before. That's what's driving the wedge, and I can't tell whether this film is an honest betrayal, or a glorious misdirect.

I'm not writing this to give answers. I'm writing this to figure out my own thoughts.1

Half of the time I look at this movie, I'm convinced that it's the perfect thing, and that it's subversively setting up the grand finale I want for IX. The other half of the time, I'm convinced that this is a slow-motion explosion, consuming my favorite franchise.

Holograms, my dudes.

And I see this on a lot of the other people in my boat (die-hard Star Wars youtubers, mainly, and a few IRL friends). The same swerving from desperate "maybe" to betrayed "burn it all" and back. I can't tell if it's people wanting to see a better movie than they did, or people coming to terms with a movie more subtle than it appears.


That post is still some time off. I'm still thinking it out, but I just wanted to share where my head is. Gonna watch this again, and try and figure it out.

by Fapmaster5000Fapmaster5000, 20 Dec 2017 22:45


Yeah, and it does so in a Saga film. If Johnson had wanted to make a deconstructive piece about some other characters, basically commenting on the structure of Star Wars as an anthology film, I'd have eaten it up.

But the Saga films are the Skywalker Saga, and they are heroic myth.12

That means certain very specific things. To just come in, movie eight out of nine3, and burn down forty years of character and theme? Jesus. The fucking hubris.

I'm not at pitchforks yet, because this could pay off huge in Episode Nine, but the feels I have are very similar to the clenching-sensation I had right after ME3 colorsplosion - a sinking feeling, a betrayal of core concepts, and the realization that someone had just gutted a thing I'd loved, and retroactively turned it to shit.

(Not at that level of intensity, mind you - this was a good work that does risky thematic things with a franchise, as opposed to a shitty work doing bad thematic things to a franchise - but if Nine takes a nosedive, this is the source of the implosion. And I get a little nervous, because I won't know for two years whether they fucked it up or just looked like they fucked it up.)


They never should have made another movie.45

by Fapmaster5000Fapmaster5000, 20 Dec 2017 02:02
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