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I… um… well, I'm glad that I spoke too soon, that's for sure.

But would it kill y'all to check in every once in a while?! :p

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 09 Sep 2018 06:01

Some of us are around, lurking, but personally I don't have much pop-culture or gaming stuff to discuss, and little enough time (and brains to spare) for reading. Still pop by to see if some discussion happened while I was away, but many of the more recent ones I didn't feel the need to engage in. *shrug*

I find it unlikely that AWTR has run its course, but I'm not sure what there is to unify the remaining stragglers here, beyond the occasional EA/BW fail.

by Seijin8Seijin8, 03 Sep 2018 07:05

Huh? That's weird. Thought I heard a noise in the other room. What's that lump under that blanket on the couch?

Because it hasn't been done in ages.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 30 Aug 2018 18:00

<Host stirs from couch>

"Hrm, sorry? Shit, sorry, conked out there for a bit. Need a drink? Should still be some snacks there on the table. If not, lemme go for a corner store run, back in a few…

<Host falls asleep again on couch>

by Delta VDelta V, 27 Aug 2018 04:32

So, I guess the dinner party is over.

I must be one of those guests, still sitting in his seat, thinking, "Oh, they've just stepped out for a bit, they'll be back."

Whatever has happened to us all, I hope that anyone reading this knows how much I appreciated all the wonderful people who came and went as part of All Were Thematically Revolting. I met you all in an exciting and meaningful time in my life, back in 2012.

With you, I shared Mass Effect, thoughts on storytelling, and reviews on movies, and even sent one of you a couple of video cards once.

Through you, I discovered a passion for writing stories, and through your encouragement and support, have managed to find a very peaceful life, even if I often miss being able to spend some minutes from my day ingesting your daily thoughts on art, literature and games.

When the Extended Cut of Mass Effect 3 released, many of you despaired because for you, it meant the end of Mass Effect. I was scared at the time, not only because I wasn't yet ready to let go of Mass Effect myself, but because I had met you all through that game, and was afraid of losing you all.

I am glad to see that my worries back then were unfounded. You have all given me so much, it brings me to tears just to say 'thank you' to each and every one of you. I miss jbauck's stick art, and wonder what happened to her. I value Fapmaster5000's tearing down of my story, "For the Friend Who Has (Lost) Everything". I often wonder if we frustrated CulturalGeekGirl to the point that she couldn't stand us anymore. I miss frypan and osbornep's wonderful insights. I owe so much to drayfish for being the seed that gave birth to almost six wonderful years of discourse and expansion of thought.

Did you know that it was here that I recieved my first hateful message from some stranger on the internet? I'll gladly share the screenshot with you.

You all encouraged me to take an idea in my head - that about a mobster who wants out, but it all goes wrong - and give it a tangible form. I've spoken of it often because of its importance to me. It's not just important as the story that made me want to be a writer, but because you guys encouraged me to bring it to life, which lead to me wanting to be a writer. And to think, I never intended to write Sam Rivers in the first place, because I'd made it up at work one day, just to entertain myself.

You may remember at the time that I set about the fool's errand of trying to restore hope to each one of you. "We can still play Mass Effect if we interpret ending X with meaning Y!" I said. Perhaps rightly, you would have none of it. You continued to despair, and at the time, it made me feel unimportant to you. I despaired about the pointlessness of all we'd hoped for, until Delta decided to call me out on my behavior. I, in turn, told you guys how I felt, and we patched things up. I know to this day that you never meant to hurt my feelings, and I knew it back then. I bring this up because it was the incident that gave me the idea for my first novel.

Now, six years later, I'm approaching the end of the first major revision of that novel. I feel I've learned a lot, and have a pretty good story to offer you. I had been hoping to do some more edits, then ask you guys if you would be beta readers, to help "polish a turd," as they say. Now, with wonderful memories echoing in my head, the guests have all moved on.

I guess it's more accurate to say that I stepped away from the dinner party to write my book, then came back only to find everyone has already left. The room is immaculate. Dirty, half empty glasses have all been carted away and washed, now sitting in a cupboard as if nothing ever happened. The mahogany banquet table no longer bears the table cloth we wrinkled and straightened back out while trading ideas. The drops of wine we spilled on the floor during moments of excitement have been wiped away, and the chairs are lined up at the table, pristine, but empty.

Still, memories bounce off the walls. You may all move on to better things and forget me, but I will always remember you. You etched some very wonderful things into my life, and my very soul, and you were there when I changed in a lot of very big ways. Thank you all for all that you have given me. I don't know that I can give you anything nearly as important, but if I can, I will.

For now, while the dinner party may be over, I am still able to contact you guys, whether through Steam, or Twitter or whatever. I am always your friend, and I will answer any time you call. Know that, even though I fear being forgotten by you, I am working hard to move on to bigger and better things.

I hope that this collection of messages, articles and posts will remain here as an archive to that wonderful time.

Until next we meet.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 22 Aug 2018 08:27
by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 22 Aug 2018 07:54
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It's quiet, too quiet.

I had read some murmurings about KK stepping down too, whether or not there's any basis to them remains to be seen. I wouldn't be surprised if she made IX her last film myself, closing out the "saga" seems as good a time as any to pass the baton on. Some people were speculating that Kevin Feige might be tapped to helm Lucasfilm next, though I'm not sure a MCU approach for Star Wars is the best course.

And speaking of, it looks like after Solo's poor performance so far Lucasfilm has put it's other planned side stories on hold to focus on IX. Probably not a terrible idea to give them a good think over to avoid running into more Solo production shenanigans.

Oh and after a brief blip of Comcast making a bid for Fox it looks like Disney's planned purchase is back on track. I get the concerns about the House of Mouse owning everything, but I still can't help but feel excited at the prospect of X-Men and Fantastic Four joining the MCU.

Re: Vader

That's not a bad idea. Rebels did something kind of like that with Ahsoka, although she seemed to realize pretty quickly after Vader showed up who he was, they still had the big reveal when they duelled later on. Done right and if they made Anakin really likable in the prequels, the audience realization that he was now "twisted and evil" could be quite effective. Ah well, c'est la vie.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 21 Jun 2018 00:14

Speaking of Star Wars, there's been a lot of talk and speculation regarding Kathleen Kennedy being fired. I remembering hearing somewhere that in about September, there might be an announcement that she's "stepping down" to "let someone else helm Star Wars" and all that.

Just rumor and speculation, as far as I know, but interesting that so many people are thinking the same thing lately.

Re: Vader

I was thinking that the story overall would be told differently, probably something where we meet adult Anakin, and he's a pretty cool dude who loves his girlfriend/ fiancee/ wife or whatever. Obi Wan's speeches about his experiences with Anakin make it really difficult for the Empire/ Father moment to come off as a surprise, since you'd probably have to see Anakin's fall to the dark side.

Maybe the surprise could be changed from "whoa, he's Luke's father," to "whoa, Anakin's still ALIVE?!" Something like that?

Anyway, yeah. It's too quiet around here. Makes me paranoid.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 18 Jun 2018 23:16
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I have not seen Solo. To be honest the idea of it didn't really enthrall me so I wasn't in a rush, then I read some reviews and the reviews prompted me to look up more spoilery reviews, and at this point I don't have any burning desire to see it. It sounds like it could be aggressively fine. It also kind of sounds like some of their handling of the titular character was a bit strange, like answering things that I don't think anyone even questioned. I may check it out on Netflix later on but at the moment I don't feel like paying full theatre prices to see it.

Re: Vader

That's a tricky one. I think if they started with Anakin older in Episode 1 or had more movies to work with they could establish them as separate characters somehow, while giving Anakin a reason to fall to the dark side with out blatantly doing so. You could have Vader's motivations being grey and mysterious maybe even helping them against the Seperatists and Sith if they were still in the plot. Then Anakin is "betrayed" by Vader perhaps during Order 66 and Obi-Wan goes after him and defeats him, but it's never revealed that they are the same person. And this would need to somehow fit with Darth Vader being a jedi and Obi-Wans pupil.

It would take a better mind than I to make that all work. :-)

As for Darth becoming a title, I think that started with Darth Maul and Sidious, at least canonically. I don't know enough about the old EU to say for certain, but I don't recall too many Darth's existing before then.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 07 Jun 2018 00:31

I've heard good things about Cobra Kai. I'll have to discover the means to use it sometime soon.

Anyone seen Solo? Can't say I'm at all curious. It's good enough for me that Han is just some badass dude who shoots first.

For fun, I've been trying to figure out if it's possible to write a Prequel Trilogy where the father reveal in Empire is still a surprise for the audience. My thought is that the key is to make it seem like Vader and Anakin are two separate entities, and then have Anakin appear to die near the end, where Vader 'survives.' But damned if I know how to pull that off.

The things that keep defeating me are what Obi Wan says about Anakin in A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. He witnessed Anakin's rise and fall, and all that.

My conclusion thus far is that the only way to keep that surprise is to not do any prequels, and leave Vader's stuff as backstory. As far as I'm concerned, the Prequel Trilogy never happened because so much of it doesn't line up with the originals, but still. It's a fun test of creativity.

Also, when did "Darth" become a Sith rank? Obi Wan says, "a young Jedi named Darth Vader" in A New Hope.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 01 Jun 2018 17:47
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Sorry again for my (continued) tardiness.


I'd heard something about that but not actually watched it yet. I haven't actually watched Karate Kid (original) in years, but as I recall sweeping the leg solves all your problems.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 31 May 2018 00:04

Hey all, sorry I've been away! I should be more available Don. For now, let me just say…


by Fapmaster5000Fapmaster5000, 11 May 2018 21:02
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Well, I mean it would be nice of you. :-)

And agreed I think they handled it very well. I've been impressed with the Russo's so far, but even after Civil War which had a lot of players, the shadow of AoU hung over this movie and I was wondering how the ever increasing roll call would work but I think they pulled it off nicely.

They've also said that Avengers 4 will likely be longer than this, so probably 3 hours is a safe bet. I vote we bring back intermissions.

Also fun fact, someone tallied the characters screen time and Thanos came out ahead at about 30 minutes I believe. Certainly goes with the protagonist idea they were talking about.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 09 May 2018 23:58

Whoa! There are people here! I should put my pants back on.

I went into Infinity War wondering how they'd pull it off structurally. It turned out to be a pretty simple and yet effective solution, and it worked. Instead of feeling bloated and diluted, the film feels focused, where each scene and character is driving towards, and building up to, a goal. Overall, it's pretty grimdark for a Marvel film, but the humor helps keep it from being exhausting. And yeah, it's long. But to me, it didn't feel like it was. The ending really left me interested to see where it goes next.

The solution was to use the opening scenes as the entire first act, then the rest of the movie is a giant second act, split into several managable threads to keep scenes from becoming bloated in and of themselves. So simple, yet so effective. I'm still impressed.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 07 May 2018 17:24
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Ahem, well sorry for my personal tardiness of late, hectic schedules etc. and whatnot. But managed to find time come up for air and report on my recent viewing of Avengers: Infinity War.

On the whole I found it to be a fairly enjoyable experience. It is a Marvel movie which at this point you kind of know what to expect, there are jokes and witty banter which I can see why some people might not care for but I liked them. The action is exciting and epic, there are even a few quite moments that peer beneath the heroic surface of some characters and give glimpse of the "human" beneath.

I thought the cast was pretty good all round, and some of the definite highlights for me were the new teamups we haven't seen before. I quite like Thanos in this which was something of a worry going in. I think they did a pretty decent job of laying his character out. I think the Russo's made some mention of him being the protagonist of the movie and I can see that.

I was also quite impressed that although this movie had probably as much or more going on as Age of Ultron it felt much better paced, and not as crammed together. There is lot happening but it seemed to flow together quiet well.

So yeah, if you like the Marvel movies thus far you'll probably like this too, and worth checking out.

Some spoilery stuff:

by edisnooMedisnooM, 05 May 2018 00:31

I also saw Black Panther. Yay!

All I really have to say about it is that it's a competent superhero action film. It's a lot of fun, and the performances are wonderful, so I can definitely recommend it.

Michael B. Jordan's character gets a little more credit than he deserves. While his performance was top notch, and the character himself had a clearly defined belief, goal and motivation, he really just ends up like other Marvel villains, becoming "the guy what gets punches at da end."

The Black Panther himself is just kind of a do-gooder who does good. I mean, they give him some backstory and all that, and he has a little bit of an arc with some doubt, but that's really it. Still, the actor who portrays him turns in a great performance.

I do have to say that it's a breath of fresh air since The Last Jedi, in that there's a purpose for the characters in the plot, and everyone gets a chance to move events forward in some way.

It's definitely not the watershed film people make it out to be, but I'd recommend it as a good exemplar of a fun, stylish superhero film. The CG does trip up in places, but it never kicked me out of the movie, so your mileage may vary.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 17 Mar 2018 06:30
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So in other movie news I was able to catch Black Panther this past weekend and can report that it is pretty good film.

It's a Marvel movie which is generally a good bar to measure whether you'll like it or not, a nice mix of action, drama, humour, etc. I thought the cast was pretty solid all round, Michael B. Jordan and Andy Serkis are definite standouts though, providing pretty decent villains. The latter isn't in it as much but he seems to be having the time of his life whenever he's on the screen.

On the whole I had good time without any major complaints, the CG seemed a bit wonky in parts but nothing ruinous. I did have a few nitpicky things though:

Anywho though, nothing major to complain about I would definitely recommend it.

And although this is TV related but since it's also Star Wars related I'm going to throw this in here as well.

Star Wars Rebels is winding down and in the last stretch, and the last episode just took the universe down a bit of a rabbit hole.

Reaching back to the Mortis arc of Clone Wars1, it has Ezra entering a portal in a Jedi Temple to a "World between Worlds" which connects all of time and space. And made time travel a canon part of the Star Wars universe, with Ezra reaching back and saving Ahsoka during the season 2 finale fight against Vader. The implications are pretty huge, but it remains to be seen if it will actually have any bearing on the universe beyond this.

The episode itself was pretty cool though, Ian McDermitt voices the Emperor who get's his Sith Sorcery on. And with the whole time and space aspect there are lots of quotes from different individuals throughout the series as Ezra walks through the place, which was pretty darn nifty.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 01 Mar 2018 01:50
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I think you are largely remembering it correctly1, though there are few points I might differ on.

3. They only tried to solve the problem because Holdo made it seem like they had no plan to go on.

4. Just want to mention that space combat doesn't make any sense to me anymore. Kylo and two ties take out all the fighters and the bridge of the flag ship without breaking a sweat (shields apparently are rubbish on Rebel ships) and then get called back because the Star Destroyers can't cover them. They seemed to be doing fine on their own.

8. This happens just after one of the Rebel cruisers ran out of fuel and got blown up. Tensions are high and everyone seems worried, I think this is when Poe begs Holdo to tell them all that there is some sort of plan and she responds with something about Sunshine. It's after this that Poe notices her fueling the unarmed (un-shielded?) transports and gets mad.

9. It's here that Poe tells Holdo his plan, she dismisses it again without explaining that they actually do have something beyond hopping on these sitting duck transports. He then relieves her of command with the support of a number of the crew. This sort of makes me think he is either the next highest ranking or at least one of the ranking officers there. He then goes to the bridge where he is waiting for Finn and Rose to bring down the tracker so they can jump to lightspeed.

10. Just before this Holdo and Leia talk about how much they like him at least partially because he's a hothead, which makes the outright dismissal of him even odder. Leia tells him the plan and he immediately accepts it and I think says "This just might work."

And this all happens over the course of 18 hours where, from what I can tell, there wasn't really a whole lot to do beside watching the fuel gauge. I could maybe understand if Holdo didn't have time to talk to her officers and crew if they were in a crisis but everything seems relatively calm. Probably would have done wonders for morale if they knew that they actually had a destination.

What might have helped is if the flagship had been destroyed in the attack, and everyone evacuates to Holdo's ship2. Poe is then on a ship with a crew and commander he doesn't know, but as it stands I find it mind-boggling that if anybody else knew that they wouldn't have told Poe to at least chill out, because "Trust us, there's a plan."

Anyway, just my take.

I agree that character development hasn't been great so far. There's interesting stuff there, but it didn't seem to get built up a whole lot.

I thought Kylo being tempted by the lightside was kind of interesting in TFA, but with TLJ his character seems very weird to me. First why does he hate Han so much in TFA? I can understand being mad at Luke, but apparently Han didn't even want him at the academy so his hatred of Han and the Falcon etc. doesn't seem based on much from what we've seen.

Second in TFA he says he's going to finish what Vader started and emulates him quite plainly. But Rey knew that Luke had redeemed Vader to the light side. If Rey from Nowhere knew that, how did Luke's own nephew not? And if he did why does he think that finishing what Vader started or emulating him would mean being a Sith?

Speaking of Rey falling, I had actually thought before TLJ came out that Rey and Kylo swapping spots could have been interesting. Maybe Kylo is wavering (Leia's "death" could have played a part) and Rey shows up, Kylo tries to stop Snoke turning her but fails and he flees either to the Rebels or is captured. This could have set stuff up for IX with both Finn and Kylo fighting against the First Order, with the addition of Finn and/or Kylo trying to save Rey.

Ah well, a man can dream though, a man can dream.

by edisnooMedisnooM, 22 Feb 2018 01:35

@The Mani Mani

Heh, I guess the spell cost is your life? I'm still not sure why doing a projection thingy made him die. Also, I don't know what the point is to him dying then, other than to have him die. I mean, the moment is poetic, but it's needless.

We'll have to disagree on the Poe thing. It mostly comes from the way I remember events, which might be wrong. I remember it as:

  1. Poe takes the paper bombers on a run against orders and loses the entire bombing group because Y-Wings apparently don't exist anymore, even if they did one movie ago.
  2. Poe is grounded by Leia.
  3. Poe, Finn and Rose learn about the hyperdrive tracker, then Finn and Rose go to solve the problem that Leia solves later anyway.
  4. Kylo Ren and friends attack. Poe can't fly because Kylo took a moment to blow up all the X-Wings. There's a cool moment where Kylo just can't blow away his mother, only to have the moment sabotaged by his wingmen doing it for him.
  5. Leia does the Mary Poppins thing without any previous known force training1 and ends up in traction.
  6. The Resistance beats back the attack and goes on the run.
  7. Holdo takes command and tells Poe to stuff it, since he's been grounded.
  8. Time passes. Poe storms onto the bridge and finds out that Holdo is transferring the fuel from what I presume is Home One to the smaller transports.
  9. Poe then organizes a mutiny and removes Holdo from the bridge, then locks himself in, where his plan is to do… something.
  10. Leia walks in and blasts him.
  11. He wakes up on one of the transports and is told that Leia solved the problem that Finn and Rose went out to solve.
  12. They land on the salt planet for the "Opening-Battle-Of-Empire-But-Nowhere-Near-As-Good-Or-Meaningful" fight.
  13. Poe gets the idea to fly weaponless salt skimmer things against giant armored quadrapedal tanks in order to stop an enormous energy cannon from busting their door down. Leia seems to be okay with this, probably because it's the best idea they've got, but the whole thing is wasted because there's no moment where Leia and Poe each realize that the other is kind of right, then agree to meet each other halfway - temperance saves lives, but sometimes you have to take risks in order to save even more lives.
  14. Poe and company fly out to meet the walkers and the energy cannon. Rey arrives and shoots things with the Millenium Falcon. Shit gets bad and Poe orders a retreat. Finn tries to be hero, only to be told "fuck you" by Rose. Then she kisses him.
  15. Ghost Luke arrives and has a talk with Kylo Ren that does nothing to add to the closure of the arc of their relationship. It also starts on some character arc stuff with Luke, but it ends up being pretty superficial and stops almost as soon as it starts. Luke then dies. Again, it's poetic, but pretty pointless as it doesn't pay anything off, or bring up a new question or conflict for anyone else.
  16. Poe realizes that the little crystal doggies are showing them an alternate way out of the caves and gets everyone to follow.
  17. Turns out the dogs are leading them to a pile of rocks. Rey, having apparently been fully trained in the ways of the Jedi without coming even close to failing once, lifts the rocks out of the way.
  18. Poe joins everyone in piling on the Falcon and zooming off into space. Everyone talks like they're mingling at a Christmas Life Day party.
  19. Roll Credits

I mostly stuck with Poe there, but that's how I remember it. If that's the way it went, as far as I'm concerned, Holdo didn't owe Poe diddly shit for explanations. I'd have expected her to shove her middle finger in his face, and I would have agreed with her, especially after his mutiny. I do still think she should have told the rest of the crew though. There was no point in keeping it a secret. Poe could have easily found out from someone else, which could have led to his wanting (or attempting) to mutiny.

There's one thing the new Star Wars films have been remarkably consistent on so far: superficial, underdeveloped characters with rushed, sloppy relationships who don't have arcs and who don't have good payoffs.

Force Awakens was a good start for Finn and Rey, though it would have been nice if Rey had made a bad choice, or tripped on a vine or something. It set up Finn for tension and drama because of his cowardice and the idea that his lying by omission could come out and sabotage his efforts with the Resistance, or with Rey. Rey was just kind of set up to ascend into ultimate Jedi-hood. She just sort of does everything right.

Rogue One started with some neat character stuff with Jin, but it comes to a halt once her father dies. The rest of the cast have neat quirks, but they never go deeper than that. Each character can be summed up as "this is the character with X personality trait." I could give the re-purposed battle droid2 some slack, in that he's pretty much the only character in the movie with a likeable personality. But even then, he just kind of dies. I mean, he dies doing a heroic thing, but it's not really a fitting end for his character. Then the other characters die. And that's kind of it.

Last Jedi had some stuff to work with coming off of Force Awakens. I mean, the First Order should have been reeling from the loss of Starkiller Base instead of engaged in a protracted car chase with Home One, but it had the chance to deepen Finn and Rey, and add some complexity to them. Instead, the plot just kind of leads to diferent action setpieces and moments until the movie ends. I mean, Snoke dies without us learning who he is, where he comes from, or what his motivation or goals are.

You want to subvert expectations, Rian Johnson? Show me Rey joining the Dark Side. Or hell, really bend my mind and show me Kylo Ren joining Rey. THAT would have subverted my expectations.

I'm not optimistic for Episode IX, Solo, or for Rian Johnson's side trilogy, if this continues. It's not very promising. I mean, you could reduce the Original Trilogy to space wizards with laser swords, but it still had relatable and compelling characters you could fall in love with.

Anyway, yeah. A couple cents worth of thoughts there.

by KitaSaturnyneKitaSaturnyne, 17 Feb 2018 08:20
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Yeah, the doppleganger thing was weird. I mean apparently there is a book of Jedi "magic spells", which just kind of strikes me as strange, maybe it shouldn't seem that weird to me but it does. Also given the fact that this movie established that you can run out of Force power, I'm surprised there wasn't a casting cost next to it. :-)

I kind of disagree with you on Holdo a bit. I got the impression that the only ones he had fallen out of grace with was Leia and Holdo, a lot of the other crew seemed to back him up to the point of mutiny. I don't think Holdo had to tell Poe, but I kind of question her not. With how few of the resistance is left he's still a Captain, and one of the few fighter pilots1 they have left.

Leia might have benched him2, but she almost immediately after gave him permission to get in a ship and blow things up, so it seems like she still had confidence in him. And if memory serves Poe even beggingly asks that Holdo tells them that they have some sort of plan, and her response is about sunlight.

Overall it just strikes me as manufactured drama, and come to think of it I think this might be the first Star Wars movie where the commanding officers deliberately withhold the battle plan from the troops. I could understand if there had been any sort of issue regarding spies or the like, but that didn't seem to be much of a concern.

On a different note, there is a car in space, and that's kind of awesome. :-)

by edisnooMedisnooM, 15 Feb 2018 01:11
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